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Rahm Emanuel: What This Country Needs Is Compulsory Civil Defense Service - Say Anything

Mandatory civil defense service, are you fucking kidding me? Can you not see the historical parrallels here? I guess Obama forgot to mention that 'Yes We Can' actually means 'Sieg Hiel'.

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lol....you picked up the smear from right wing wackos....the "civilian national force" was a generalized statement on american law enforcement and the NATIONAL GUARD.also how is community service a bad thing ? at my high school when i graduated in 2002, you had to do 30 hrs of community service to graduate, it was a requirement. look at it in the context of the WHOLE speech

Sen. Barack Obama called his fellow citizens to greater public service today, as he outlined several proposals to boost the involvement of Americans both at home and abroad in helping meet the nation's needs.

"Loving your country shouldn't just mean watching fireworks on the 4th of July," he said in a speech in Colorado Springs, Colo. "Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it. If you do, your life will be richer, our country will be stronger."

The Illinois Democrat pledged that he would make enhanced public service a central part of his presidency if elected this fall.

"I won't just ask for your vote as a candidate," he said. "I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I'm president of the United States. This won't be a call issued in one speech or one program. I want this to be a central cause of my presidency. We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve."

Obama said he would boost the size of the active military, but that the nation's future depends on more than just additional soldiers.

"It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school working in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia," he said.

Obama reflected on how the presidencies of Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy both made public service hallmarks of their administration and how the nation was the better for such efforts.



He promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

Obama called for greater integration with schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens. He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.

"Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously," he said.

For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and repeated his pledge to create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.

Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics who will question how he might possibility be able to get more young people motivated to do public service, but argued the nation's very spirit is tied to greater service.

"Renewing that spirit starts with service," he said. "Make no mistake: our destiny as Americans is tied up with one another. If we are less respected in the world, then you will be less safe. If we keep paying dictators for foreign oil, gas prices are going to keep rising, and so are the oceans. If we can't give all of our children a world-class education, our economy is going to fall behind. "
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You consider mandatory military type training as just "community service"?

I don't know what to say. This is like congratulating an arsonist on his efficiency as he burns your house down or a thief on his ability as he robs you blind.
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I don't see it as such a bad thing. It will help people take pride in their country, maybe learn some responsibility and also help them pay for college. Maybe this will help our streets stay safer?

Also, throughout highschool, to "graduate" to the next grade, you had to complete 45 hours of community service for the year.

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I don't see it as such a bad thing. It will help people take pride in their country, maybe learn some responsibility and also help them pay for college. Maybe this will help our streets stay safer?

Also, throughout highschool, to "graduate" to the next grade, you had to complete 45 hours of community service for the year.

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at my high school it was just a total of 30 by senior year
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You consider mandatory military type training as just "community service"?

I don't know what to say. This is like congratulating an arsonist on his efficiency as he burns your house down or a thief on his ability as he robs you blind.
where did he say military was mandatory ? he never said that..until world war 3 happens military service will always be volunteer
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at my high school it was just a total of 30 by senior year
Sorry Muay Thai, I meant my high school.
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Sorry Muay Thai, I meant my high school.
i was just saying that you had it rougher than i did lol.....i guess chicago and seattle are just more progressive than the rest of the country
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i never had to do community service for school, just for when i got arrested
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That is called taking away individual freedom from the people. The point of living in America is for individual freedom.

Just to let you know, originally on his website was for adults the ages of 18-25. That would include me. I have my individual rights. All I need to do is follow the laws, and pay taxes.

By forcing people into a community service is called communism. It's also called slavery. That's what the 13th amendment is for. But I guess that part of the constitution don't matter either.

I will not do this if it is required of all people between 18-25. I hope to God peopel don't allow their kids to work for the government either. They are parents, they raise their kids, they teach them how the world works. Not Mr.Obama.

I have known about this for awhile But I didn't say much because I figured one or two of you would be like "well, I think it's kind of a good idea" Because you will never disagree with what one of your people do.


Americans wont be forced into slavery. This shit won't fly
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and if you have read Rahm Emanuels book. You will see exactly what he wants.

I just don't think Obama is stupid enough to follow threw. He will be as centered as possible just like his campaign. A)because he wants to be a good president or B)because he wants the next 8 years and can push his agenda the last 4.
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no ones getting FORCED to do anything...in fact i think im going to like doing community service for free college...
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That is called taking away individual freedom from the people. The point of living in America is for individual freedom.

Just to let you know, originally on his website was for adults the ages of 18-25. That would include me. I have my individual rights. All I need to do is follow the laws, and pay taxes.

By forcing people into a community service is called communism. It's also called slavery. That's what the 13th amendment is for. But I guess that part of the constitution don't matter either.

I will not do this if it is required of all people between 18-25. I hope to God peopel don't allow their kids to work for the government either. They are parents, they raise their kids, they teach them how the world works. Not Mr.Obama.

I have known about this for awhile But I didn't say much because I figured one or two of you would be like "well, I think it's kind of a good idea" Because you will never disagree with what one of your people do.


Americans wont be forced into slavery. This shit won't fly
You you want american to continue to get lazier, and fatter, until our country falls?!

I agree with Obama. I hope he forces the people to do their part. Ungrateful bastards, WORK! Life is too easy these days. Obama cant just wave his wand to fix America. PITCH IN AMERICANS
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Pajamas Media Obama’s Call for Community Service Is Not Marxism

Is community service synonymous with slavery? Whether that service is mandated or suggested, could it in any way be construed as enslaving citizens? This week, an acquaintance noted the “irony” that college students would be required by a black president to do community service. She then pointed out the 13th Amendment.

There were two things wrong with this statement. First, by the time she wrote it, it was already old news that Obama had backtracked on his mandatory community service requirement for students. The newer wording on the change.gov website:

The Obama administration will call on Americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. President-elect Obama will expand national service programs like AmeriCorps and Peace Corps and will create a new Classroom Corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, and Veterans Corps. Obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve America, by setting a goal that all middle school and high school students do 50 hours of community service a year and by developing a plan so that all college students who conduct 100 hours of community service receive a universal and fully refundable tax credit ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free. Obama will encourage retiring Americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as Youth Build and Head Start.

The other thing wrong with the woman’s quote — and the contention of some bloggers — is the equivalence of community service to slavery. One of these things is not like the other.

There are thousands upon thousands of high school and college students, as well as adults, doing some form of community service right now. Service to your community is an altruistic thing; it is a way of perhaps giving back to a community that has given to you. It is a way to reach out to a community, to help others who may not be as fortunate as you, to teach young adults about sharing, caring, and helping others, to do something out of the goodness of your heart that will benefit your community. This is not slavery. This is not forced labor. This is outreach. It represents values. Slavery is an act that benefits no one but the person who owns the slave; community service benefits both the giver and receiver and helps make the world a better place and leaves a general good feeling for everyone involved. It is not comparable to slavery.

There are already many high schools in the United States which require community service credit for graduation. Some schools require seniors to complete a project that includes some form of community outreach.

Obama would encourage a goal of 50 hours of community service for high school students. That’s 50 hours over the course of a year, hours that could be spent cleaning up a park, reading to the elderly, working in a soup kitchen, assisting developmentally disabled children, delivering meals, collecting clothing for shelters, or working with local community programs like Kiwanis. There are myriad ways in which the youth of America can get involved with their surrounding communities, providing a give and take that benefits both the student and the community at large.

On the college level, Obama’s plan would ensure a $4,000 tuition credit to students who complete 100 hours of community service a year. With the cost of college education soaring, that $4,000 is like a windfall to a college student. The student would be rewarded monetarily, but the reward of completing service toward the community is something that will stay with them, as well as the community, forever. Service to others is a lasting gift.

Right-leaning blogs are jumping on the Obama staff for so quickly going back on the wording of the community service statement — and some are still maintaining the “forced service” part. It’s interesting to see that instead of remarking on how the staff reacted quickly to negativity toward the requirement part of the service, people are claiming that he went back on a promise or broke his word. Not really. He heard criticism and responded to it. He would still like to see students entering into community service voluntarily but he rightfully took back the idea of service being mandatory. By arguing the nature of the wording and how/when the wording was changed, the blog pundits are taking the idea of community service and turning it into something to fight about. The blog posts enhanced with pictures of Stalin or a hammer and sickle are a nice touch, though.

It’s interesting how many right-leaning blogs are frowning upon the community service idea, though some are being thoughtful about it. Generally, people on the political right tend to belong to churches, and churches are big proponents of community service. So why the negativity? Many blogs are also equating Obama’s community service pitch with Rahm Emanuel’s:

When you choose to serve — whether it’s your nation, your community, or simply your neighborhood — you are connected to that fundamental American ideal that we want life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness not just for ourselves, but for all Americans. That’s why it’s called the American dream.

This is not socialism. This is not Marxism. This is the mark of a country that knows it needs to rely on those who can to help those who can’t. It’s the mark of a country that knows it needs to depend on its citizens to make their communities flourish. It’s taking the “ask not what your country can do for you” attitude and transforming it into smaller clusters, where we ask what we can do for those we live with and around, instead of waiting for people to do for us. It’s how communities become stronger, how they grow, and how a strong, giving community makes for a strong, giving nation.

Community service is not a dirty word; nor is it an idea to be tossed aside because you don’t like who is delivering the message about it. Encouraging our youth to take part in something selfless is encouraging them to be better human beings. What could be better for this country?
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where did he say military was mandatory ? he never said that..until world war 3 happens military service will always be volunteer
Several times in the clip at the link I posted.
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