California not zoning MMA gyms.

kazja13 · 10-30-2008, 01:35 AM

Today I met with some MMA gym owners that have been having problems expanding or opening MMA gyms in California. The cities are only allowing traditional martial arts not mma. When they go to get a permit the city ask what style of martial arts do you teach. If it is MMA they shoot it down. Could this be because the CSAC has the Deputy attorney General in charge of licenseing working for them. Because if you own a MMA gym and hold an event in your gym they have no jurisdiction. There is alot of various selective enforcement issues here.

jarwillie · 10-30-2008, 01:58 AM

so if I am a licensed MMA "gym" owner. I can hold MMA events at my gym?

Keelar Squeed · 10-30-2008, 02:04 AM

Isn't what they tried to bust Din for in Florida?

kazja13 · 10-30-2008, 02:06 AM

Originally Posted by jarwillie

so if I am a licensed MMA "gym" owner. I can hold MMA events at my gym?

It is sparring. You can whatever at your gym.

Keelar Squeed · 10-30-2008, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by kazja13

It is sparring. You can whatever at your gym.

If you charge admission it becomes an exhibition doesn't it?

jarwillie · 10-30-2008, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by Keelar Squeed

If you charge admission it becomes an exhibition doesn't it?

That's what I am confuzzeled about.

jarwillie · 10-30-2008, 02:17 AM

I want this answered promptly Kazja13.

Keelar Squeed · 10-30-2008, 02:19 AM

Din Thomas was arrested for staging unsanctioned MMA fights in Florida. If I recall correctly, the charges were dropped after they authorities determined that it was "sparring." Maybe Relentless can fill us in on the details. . .

jarwillie · 10-30-2008, 03:13 AM

Was he charging people to come watch?

Relentless · 10-30-2008, 03:32 AM

This is what happened, he was running smokers, there was head gear, gloves, all that good stuff, he was charging people at the door to come in, he had about 6 different cops there, off duty, but there were 2 undercover, now the thing is all the money he collected, went to the guys that were in there throwing down, Din is very very big on guys having at least 10 amateur fights before making their pro debut, and was giving these guys the opportunity to do it, and the guys that were in there were the ones that couldn't afford to pay for training at american top team

jarwillie · 10-30-2008, 03:44 AM

Thanks for clearing it up Relentless.

Relentless · 10-30-2008, 03:50 AM

my brother was there when it went down, the cops were fucking awful to Din, he was trying to explain to them that he wasn't making money off of it that all the guys in there were making money for training and the cops were saying shit like "don't make excuses, don't make lies, no bullshit" it was ridiculous

Keelar Squeed · 10-30-2008, 01:46 PM

Thanks for the explanation.
MMA is a regulated sport in California, so I don't see how you can hold a for-profit event there and claim the state has no jurisdiction.

kazja13 · 10-30-2008, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Keelar Squeed

Thanks for the explanation.
MMA is a regulated sport in California, so I don't see how you can hold a for-profit event there and claim the state has no jurisdiction.

Karate does
Jiu Jitsu, Judo
Wrestling do
Police vs Firefighters do etc etc.

Nevada is giving grants to UFC fighters/UFC affiliated clothing companies to open Gyms in nevada. Control the Gyms control the fighters.

GunnyX · 10-30-2008, 05:39 PM

My gym was having amateur fights (headgear, groves, shin guards, etc.) about a year ago. They did charge admission which I believe went only to the gym. During their second "fight night" the CSAC shut them down. They said that there is no sanctioning for amateur fights in Cali. So, they told everyone (over 400 people) that the fights were over. After most people left they let the last 5 fights go as sparring matches. No different than the first seven matches. It was such a weird thing. When asked when the CSAC would allow sanctioned amateur matches, they said they were working on it. They also said, get this, that sparring is technically an amateur match and you need an amateur liscense for it. The CSAC has their heads up their asses.

10-30-2008, 01:35 AM	#1
kazja13 Fight Promoter Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,003	California not zoning MMA gyms. Today I met with some MMA gym owners that have been having problems expanding or opening MMA gyms in California. The cities are only allowing traditional martial arts not mma. When they go to get a permit the city ask what style of martial arts do you teach. If it is MMA they shoot it down. Could this be because the CSAC has the Deputy attorney General in charge of licenseing working for them. Because if you own a MMA gym and hold an event in your gym they have no jurisdiction. There is alot of various selective enforcement issues here.

10-30-2008, 01:58 AM	#2
jarwillie Dead By Dawn Fuzzy McFluffenstein 3 Champion! Lt. Fly II: The Kamikaze Rescue Squad Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Elm Street, Ohio Age: 23 Posts: 4,834	so if I am a licensed MMA "gym" owner. I can hold MMA events at my gym? __________________ Not all who wander are lost. ------------------------ Sister Charlatan,No one cares anymore. I no longer admire you. There is no one left to impress ------------------------ Relentless owns me at Tetris. He is the king of Tetris. I can never be like Relentless.

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jarwillie Dead By Dawn Fuzzy McFluffenstein 3 Champion! Lt. Fly II: The Kamikaze Rescue Squad Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Elm Street, Ohio Age: 23 Posts: 4,834	I want this answered promptly Kazja13. __________________ Not all who wander are lost. ------------------------ Sister Charlatan,No one cares anymore. I no longer admire you. There is no one left to impress ------------------------ Relentless owns me at Tetris. He is the king of Tetris. I can never be like Relentless.

10-30-2008, 03:13 AM	#9
jarwillie Dead By Dawn Fuzzy McFluffenstein 3 Champion! Lt. Fly II: The Kamikaze Rescue Squad Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Elm Street, Ohio Age: 23 Posts: 4,834	Was he charging people to come watch? __________________ Not all who wander are lost. ------------------------ Sister Charlatan,No one cares anymore. I no longer admire you. There is no one left to impress ------------------------ Relentless owns me at Tetris. He is the king of Tetris. I can never be like Relentless.

10-30-2008, 03:32 AM	#10
Relentless Future Convicted Rapist Tetris Champion! Super Flash Mario Bros Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida/West Milford, New Jersey Age: 19 Posts: 18,549	This is what happened, he was running smokers, there was head gear, gloves, all that good stuff, he was charging people at the door to come in, he had about 6 different cops there, off duty, but there were 2 undercover, now the thing is all the money he collected, went to the guys that were in there throwing down, Din is very very big on guys having at least 10 amateur fights before making their pro debut, and was giving these guys the opportunity to do it, and the guys that were in there were the ones that couldn't afford to pay for training at american top team __________________ Favorite Fighters - Anderson Silva / Quinton Jackson / Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira / Thiago Alves / Georges St. Pierre / BJ Penn / Brock Lesnar / Dustin Hazelett / Sean Sherk / Junior dos Santos / Nate Marquardt / The Miller Brothers / Killa B / Ryan Bader / Wilson Gouveia At Cameldog, we're not racist We hate everyone equally. Iron Horse Mixed Martial Arts American Top Team *Believe in the Power of One* *R.I.P Evan Tanner*

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Keelar Squeed VIP Member 3D Poker Champion! Death Row Champion! Jungle Monkey Champion! Simon Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 2,605	Isn't what they tried to bust Din for in Florida?

10-30-2008, 02:19 AM	#8
Keelar Squeed VIP Member 3D Poker Champion! Death Row Champion! Jungle Monkey Champion! Simon Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 2,605	Din Thomas was arrested for staging unsanctioned MMA fights in Florida. If I recall correctly, the charges were dropped after they authorities determined that it was "sparring." Maybe Relentless can fill us in on the details. . .

10-30-2008, 03:44 AM	#11
jarwillie Dead By Dawn Fuzzy McFluffenstein 3 Champion! Lt. Fly II: The Kamikaze Rescue Squad Champion! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Elm Street, Ohio Age: 23 Posts: 4,834	Thanks for clearing it up Relentless. __________________ Not all who wander are lost. ------------------------ Sister Charlatan,No one cares anymore. I no longer admire you. There is no one left to impress ------------------------ Relentless owns me at Tetris. He is the king of Tetris. I can never be like Relentless.

10-30-2008, 03:50 AM	#12
Relentless Future Convicted Rapist Tetris Champion! Super Flash Mario Bros Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Port St. Lucie, Florida/West Milford, New Jersey Age: 19 Posts: 18,549	my brother was there when it went down, the cops were fucking awful to Din, he was trying to explain to them that he wasn't making money off of it that all the guys in there were making money for training and the cops were saying shit like "don't make excuses, don't make lies, no bullshit" it was ridiculous __________________ Favorite Fighters - Anderson Silva / Quinton Jackson / Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira / Thiago Alves / Georges St. Pierre / BJ Penn / Brock Lesnar / Dustin Hazelett / Sean Sherk / Junior dos Santos / Nate Marquardt / The Miller Brothers / Killa B / Ryan Bader / Wilson Gouveia At Cameldog, we're not racist We hate everyone equally. Iron Horse Mixed Martial Arts American Top Team *Believe in the Power of One* *R.I.P Evan Tanner*

10-30-2008, 01:46 PM	#13
Keelar Squeed VIP Member 3D Poker Champion! Death Row Champion! Jungle Monkey Champion! Simon Champion! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: chicago Posts: 2,605	Thanks for the explanation. MMA is a regulated sport in California, so I don't see how you can hold a for-profit event there and claim the state has no jurisdiction.

10-30-2008, 05:39 PM	#15
GunnyX Noob Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 39	My gym was having amateur fights (headgear, groves, shin guards, etc.) about a year ago. They did charge admission which I believe went only to the gym. During their second "fight night" the CSAC shut them down. They said that there is no sanctioning for amateur fights in Cali. So, they told everyone (over 400 people) that the fights were over. After most people left they let the last 5 fights go as sparring matches. No different than the first seven matches. It was such a weird thing. When asked when the CSAC would allow sanctioned amateur matches, they said they were working on it. They also said, get this, that sparring is technically an amateur match and you need an amateur liscense for it. The CSAC has their heads up their asses.

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