Swizzie

No im not, but even in K-1, 1 knockdown can decide an entire fight.

I don't mean with scoring actual points, I mean that they get closer to winning the fight in the judges eyes.

VICTORPOPROCKS

K1 DOES list all the rules. Go to their site and look up the K1 official rules. K1 is a ten point must system. Most Japanese MMA doesn't use ten point must system (except Sengoku), but K1 does.

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Swizzie

Fouls

The following actions in K-1 are considered fouls:

* Using the head or elbow to deliver a blow
* Attacking the opponent in the groin
* Delivering wrestling or judo throwing or submission techniques
* Thumbing, choking or biting the opponent
* Punching the opponent in the throat
* Attacking the opponent while he is down or in the process of getting up
* Attacking the opponent after the referee calls a break
* Holding the ropes
* Using offensive language to the referee
* Attacking the back of the head with a punch
* Attempting to cause the opponent to fall out of the ring
* Voluntarily exiting the ring during the course of a match
* Attacking an opponent who turns around and shows his back (unless the opponent loses his will to fight)
* Delivering a backspin blow in an unauthorized area
* Charging inside the opponent's arms with the head held low (inducing a head-butt)
* Fighting in a passive manner (without attacking), including continuous holding and clinching
* Attacking more than once while holding the opponent's kicking leg, or while holding the opponent's neck with both hands

VICTORPOPROCKS

I know a knock down can decide a fight. That's obvious. That's not what we're talking about though. First of all, Overeems KD's were ruled "slips", and no points were deducted at all in the fight.

All three judges scored the fight
round 1. 10-10 draw
round 2. 10-10 draw
round 3. 10-8 Bonjasky

Overeem was robbed. No doubt about it.

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Swizzie

Im done talking about it, you just keep thinking he was robbed. DBKH and I explained a thousand times how it works.

VICTORPOPROCKS

I know what is considered a foul Swizzie. The ref is the one who decides whether or not the foul was severe enough to warrant a point deduction though, not the judges. Grabbing the ropes is also a foul, you don't see judges taking points away every time a fighter grabs the ropes though. That decision is the ref's to make, not the judges.

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VICTORPOPROCKS

The Overeem screw job was in before the fight even started. K-1 announcer Michael Schiavello said before the fight,

"It is K-1 defending its honor against MMA, can Remy Bonjasky defend K-1's honor? ... This would be a major embarrassment, I feel, for the K-1 World Grand Prix champion to lose to a man who has really only had two K-1 fights."

K1 uses a ten point must system, no points were deducted from Overeem during the fight, Overeems KD's were ruled slips, and Overeem was pushing the pace and controlling the action the entire fight. He was robbed.

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Camel Hound

What the fuck????? overeem dropped him in the 2nd and 3rd and beat him in the rest of the exchanged. K-1 is corrupt

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Swizzie

Kurupt?

VICTORPOPROCKS

I'm not trying to argue with you, but your explanation was wrong. You said that K1 doesn't use a ten point must system, you were wrong. You said that Overeem had points deducted for tossing Remmy around like a rag doll, you were wrong. You said that the judges can take points away from a fighter for fouls, you were wrong.

I've tried to explain to you how it really works, but you just won't listen to me. I've provided proof by actually reading K1's official rules on their web site and your response was "K1 doesn't list all the rules" WTF?

Dude, I know what I'm talking about when it comes to K1. You obviously confused K1 rules with Japanese MMA rules.

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Swizzie

Overeem threw, shoved and occasionally kicked or kneed. Other than the throwing and shoving, he didn't do much more than Remy, which wasn't a lot at all. The only thing that happened during this snorefest of a fight was that knockdown.

"Overeem was robbed?" Someone must have robbed you guys of your vision and common sense, because "no shoving during a kickboxing match" shouldn't even have to be on a list.

VICTORPOPROCKS

You are arguing a moot point. There were no points taken away for the manhandling of Remmy. So if you are arguing that the ragdolling Remmy got from Overeem was the reason he lost, then your argument doesn't hold water.

Overeem should have won that fight on points. The corrupt ref ruled Overeems knock downs "slips", and he gave Overeem a standing eight when he got dropped. They screwed Allistair so their organization wouldn't be embarrassed by a mma fighter with two K1 fights beating the World GP champ in K1.

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Swizzie

I wish someone started fighting Bonjasky in a smart way.

While his opponents move in for the kill, trying to cleandly land punching combos and failing miserably, he CLEANLY lands leg kicks.

But again, Overeem is no Aerts who can match Bonjasky kick for kick and this is why Hari and Overeem find themselves "robbed" all the time. They throw and miss/hit his guard with more punches, but Bonjasky CLEANLY LANDS more kicks.

It's not an entertaining or real warrior-like win, but it wins you fights.

R3D D3ViL

Relentless pretends like he watches the fights. Its clear he doesnt, he just acts like he does and acts like he knows what happens and who/how someone got robbed.

Bonjasky won. I was cheering for Overeem, but if you understand K-1 scoring criteria, Bonjasky won.

Personally I think it needed another round. But at that point it was Bonjasky's win.

R3D D3ViL

Bonjasky is too hard to hit. He doesnt use his hands as much either which allowes him to block better.

Bonjasky is tough to fight intelligently because he ends up frustrating everyone.