K-1 Exposed - Page 3

Absinthe · 04-26-2009, 02:30 AM

Hoost is unmatched.

R3D D3ViL · 05-14-2009, 11:05 PM

Rob Kaman>Hoost

And l love both of them but Rob beat that ass. 2x

DBHK · 05-15-2009, 06:08 AM

Rob Kaman vs. Hoost II is the best kickboxing bout in the history of kickboxing.

R3D D3ViL · 05-15-2009, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by DeathbyHighKick

Rob Kaman vs. Hoost II is the best kickboxing bout in the history of kickboxing.

Thats a good choice but my favorite fight ever was Hari vs. Karaev II

Bob Sapp · 05-16-2009, 06:16 AM

Originally Posted by R3D D3ViL

Thats a good choice but my favorite fight ever was Hari vs. Karaev II

HAHA R3D D3VIL!!! I remember when you got banned from sherdick for getting into an argument with some dude about who was the hardest!!

You was all like 'imma gunna put you in a jar of mayonaise' or some shit like that. It was brilliant. I thought about that the other day actualy while I was having a shit and I laughed out loud.

Thanks for the swell times.

eternal403 · 06-17-2009, 05:40 PM

I can't believe some people on here are suggesting Anderson could hang with guys like Spong and Carnage. MMA has a very low level of striking compared to other combat sports. Even that biased bastard Joe Rogan admitted it during a live broadcast. MMA striking isn't anything close to world level boxers, or kickboxers.

LOL! @ People using Overeem/Hari etc to back their claims.

R3D D3ViL · 06-17-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by eternal403

I can't believe some people on here are suggesting Anderson could hang with guys like Spong and Carnage. MMA has a very low level of striking compared to other combat sports. Even that biased bastard Joe Rogan admitted it during a live broadcast. MMA striking isn't anything close to world level boxers, or kickboxers.

LOL! @ People using Overeem/Hari etc to back their claims.

Its not people, its Captain Smoker. You will find out soon enough that he is the BIGGEST noob on this forum.

Hes been watching mma for about a year and has seen 2 or 3 K-1 fights in his whole life and acts like he knows everything.

He says Rashad has better striking than any K-1 fighter in the world.

Dont mind him, hes utter garbage.

Captain Smoker · 06-17-2009, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by eternal403

I can't believe some people on here are suggesting Anderson could hang with guys like Spong and Carnage. MMA has a very low level of striking compared to other combat sports. Even that biased bastard Joe Rogan admitted it during a live broadcast. MMA striking isn't anything close to world level boxers, or kickboxers.

LOL! @ People using Overeem/Hari etc to back their claims.

Another brain washed moron. Muay thai and Kick boxing are dubbed to have the best strikers because they are the most popular forms of striking.

I have no doubt in my mind that the best Karate fighters in the world would school any K-1 fighter or Muay thai fighter.

Machida would rape Carnage with his movement, timing, reflexes and speed.

And dont compare Machida to regular MMA strikers. Machida has been training the art of striking since age 3. Same with kick boxers who have been training striking since child hood.

Anderson would hold his own in K-1 aswell. Rampage, Overreem, Mousasi, HUNT all have. Hunt is a terrible striker technically. Rampage was nothing but a street brawler when he first entered K-1.

R3D D3ViL · 06-17-2009, 07:14 PM

Karate fighters are an exception. Theres no doubt in my mind Machida would do good in K-1.

A lot of Karate fighters have became champs in K-1, Francisco Filho, Andy Hug, Semmy Schilt and even THEY have suffered DEVASTATING KO's. Its just the nature of the beast that is K-1. You stand and BANG. Thats it.

Machida is one guy from MMA though. Anderson, Rashad, Cote all those guys would get fucking embarassed in K-1.

eternal403 · 06-17-2009, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Smoker

Another brain washed moron. Muay thai and Kick boxing are dubbed to have the best strikers because they are the most popular forms of striking.

I have no doubt in my mind that the best Karate fighters in the world would school any K-1 fighter or Muay thai fighter.

Machida would rape Carnage with his movement, timing, reflexes and speed.

And dont compare Machida to regular MMA strikers. Machida has been training the art of striking since age 3. Same with kick boxers who have been training striking since child hood.

Anderson would hold his own in K-1 aswell. Rampage, Overreem, Mousasi, HUNT all have. Hunt is a terrible striker technically. Rampage was nothing but a street brawler when he first entered K-1.

Just do yourself a favor and STFU before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.

1) "Kickboxing" isn't a sport. It's not an art either. The definition of "Kickboxing" is any combat sport that allows the use of both your feet, and hands. So Muay Thai, Karate etc etc, are all forums of "Kickboxing".

Here's a Wiki link, do youself a favor and read it.

Kickboxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karate fighters have been proven time and time again to be worthless in striking sports. Machida isn't great because he studies Karate. He's good because he combines bits and peices of all martial arts. He's found a way to take the best of all popular Martial arts, and create his own perfect blend. Hardly ANY of his strikes are actually Karate. His entry, timing and half of his stance are the only things he uses that are.

2) BAHAHAHAHA!!! I can't believe I'm going to justify this stupidity with a response, but once again, you have no idea WTF you're talking about. Nak, and Sok both proved to the world that the key to beating Lyoto is to be anything but telegraphic. Lyoto watches for basic shit like pivoting ankles, and step ins. Once he catches on, he leaps in from outside of range and beats the other fighter to the punch. Guys like Carnage are anything but telegraphic.

Proof

Non-telegraphic

telegraphic

Since I know you're too fuckin' dense to see the difference, I'll explain WTF you're lookin' at.

In picture one, Nak threw the punch wildy and with bad technique. Since it wasn't telegraphic, Lyoto didn't know what to watch for, and it cought him off guard.

In the second GIF, Lyoto spotted the step in long before the punch was thrown when he seen him loading up. From there out, he had enough time to react to it, and counter.

World level strikers, know how to throw without broadcasting to the world what they're going to do. They've spent their whole life fighting top level competition, and training for it. Just the simple fact that they only have the stand up game to train for (not ground, BJJ, wrestling etc) give them a huge advantage over MMA fighters.

Lyoto's stance also leaves his chin up, and wide open. That's why he trains so hard to be "ellusive". He knows that if he does get hit, he's done. Guys with amazing entry speed will put that chin to the test, and with their power... it'd fail.

I'd take guys like Anderson over say MM, but guys like Spong and Carnage would hang his lifeless corpse off the ropes.

3) I will compare Lyoto to other MMA strikers, not for the reasons you've listed, but simply because he isn't the best. Both Anderson AND Lyoto admit that Junior Dos Santos gets the better of them both sparring. It just goes to show that world level strikers are on a whole other level than MMA fighters.

4) Mark Hunt was a K1 fighter BEFORE he fought in MMA

Overeem trains with the same camp that trained Hari. He knew his every move long before he ever stepped into the ring with him.

Mousassi fought an over the hill (37 years old IIRC) Musashi. Even in his prime he wasn't that great. He only ever won K1 Japan (the easiest one). He was never a world champ. The only major world level win he has to be proud of, is his WAKO title. Which BTW he won in 1999 (IIRC). That's 10 fucking years ago.

'Pages biggest K1 win came against Cyril Abidi (don't confuse him with Cyril The Snake). Hardly a win woth bragging about.

So once again, do yourself a favor and STFU.

Sheikh Zubeer · 06-17-2009, 07:57 PM

Smoker got owned.

Machida won't be champ for long.

Captain Smoker · 06-17-2009, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by eternal403

Just do yourself a favor and STFU before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.

1) "Kickboxing" isn't a sport. It's not an art either. The definition of "Kickboxing" is any combat sport that allows the use of both your feet, and hands. So Muay Thai, Karate etc etc, are all forums of "Kickboxing".

Here's a Wiki link, do youself a favor and read it.

Kickboxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Karate fighters have been proven time and time again to be worthless in striking sports. Machida isn't great because he studies Karate. He's good because he combines bits and peices of all martial arts. He's found a way to take the best of all popular Martial arts, and create his own perfect blend. Hardly ANY of his strikes are actually Karate. His entry, timing and half of his stance are the only things he uses that are.

2) BAHAHAHAHA!!! I can't believe I'm going to justify this stupidity with a response, but once again, you have no idea WTF you're talking about. Nak, and Sok both proved to the world that the key to beating Lyoto is to be anything but telegraphic. Lyoto watches for basic shit like pivoting ankles, and step ins. Once he catches on, he leaps in from outside of range and beats the other fighter to the punch. Guys like Carnage are anything but telegraphic.

Proof

Non-telegraphic

telegraphic

Since I know you're too fuckin' dense to see the difference, I'll explain WTF you're lookin' at.

In picture one, Nak threw the punch wildy and with bad technique. Since it wasn't telegraphic, Lyoto didn't know what to watch for, and it cought him off guard.

In the second GIF, Lyoto spotted the step in long before the punch was thrown when he seen him loading up. From there out, he had enough time to react to it, and counter.

World level strikers, know how to throw without broadcasting to the world what they're going to do. They've spent their whole life fighting top level competition, and training for it. Just the simple fact that they only have the stand up game to train for (not ground, BJJ, wrestling etc) give them a huge advantage over MMA fighters.

Lyoto's stance also leaves his chin up, and wide open. That's why he trains so hard to be "ellusive". He knows that if he does get hit, he's done. Guys with amazing entry speed will put that chin to the test, and with their power... it'd fail.

I'd take guys like Anderson over say MM, but guys like Spong and Carnage would hang his lifeless corpse off the ropes.

3) I will compare Lyoto to other MMA strikers, not for the reasons you've listed, but simply because he isn't the best. Both Anderson AND Lyoto admit that Junior Dos Santos gets the better of them both sparring. It just goes to show that world level strikers are on a whole other level than MMA fighters.

4) Mark Hunt was a K1 fighter BEFORE he fought in MMA

Overeem trains with the same camp that trained Hari. He knew his every move long before he ever stepped into the ring with him.

Mousassi fought an over the hill (37 years old IIRC) Musashi. Even in his prime he wasn't that great. He only ever won K1 Japan (the easiest one). He was never a world champ. The only major world level win he has to be proud of, is his WAKO title. Which BTW he won in 1999 (IIRC). That's 10 fucking years ago.

'Pages biggest K1 win came against Cyril Abidi (don't confuse him with Cyril The Snake). Hardly a win woth bragging about.

So once again, do yourself a favor and STFU.

"Machida trains to be elusive because he doesnt want to get hit!" No shit sherlock. Isnt that the point? You fuckin moron, NOT getting his is the whole point in the sport. Hit your opponent, while avoiding as much strikes as possible. Typical fucking chutebox/k-1 idiotic fan. The fact is, nobody has hit Machidas chin yet and dropped him. So his style works. Thats karate for you.

OMG Nak actually hit Machida, so that means Machida is a flawed striker!!

Listen faggot. How about Hoost getting owned by Bob fuckin sapp. or Cro Cop getting KTFO by Randleman and Gonzaga. Or a pure brawler in Rampage beating the shit out of Abidi who had no answer for Rampages agressive brawling.

It seems K-1 elite arent perfect either.

Hunt just sucks. The way he rushed in at Manhoef was amateurish.

Mike Tyson would destroy any K-1 striker or any Muay thai faggot like Carnage. With a 4 punch split second combos knocking the liver out of their mouths and separating their minds from their body.

Shit look at Badr- Schilt. Badr came in aggressive and sloppy and smashed the K-1 champ. That was all it took. A simple gameplan of sloppy aggression. Imagine the technical brutal aggression of Tyson. Schilt would have been killed.

So yeah, fuck you and your opinions.

Sheikh Zubeer · 06-17-2009, 09:14 PM

eternal is an actual amateur/aspiring fighter Smoker, you are a keyboard warrior.

He is logical and his points 100% correct.

Machida leaves himself open, and would be destroyed in K-1.

Captain Smoker · 06-17-2009, 10:15 PM

I dont give a shit if he is an amatuer fighter. Just because you are a fighter doesnt mean you are the top of the food chain as far as knowing fighting. MMA fighters are morons. I remeber almost all of them picked Couture to win because "Lesnar was a pro wrestler"

I already pointed out Schilt and Hoost falling to agressive brawling. K-1 strikers arent as great as you make them out to be.

If anybody leaves themselves open its Fedor. Look at his Fujita fight. Shit and Hoost said Fedor would do great in K-1. If Fedor would do great in K-1, Machida and A silva would.

eternal403 · 06-17-2009, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by Captain Smoker

"Machida trains to be elusive because he doesnt want to get hit!" No shit sherlock. Isnt that the point? You fuckin moron, NOT getting his is the whole point in the sport. Hit your opponent, while avoiding as much strikes as possible. Typical fucking chutebox/k-1 idiotic fan. The fact is, nobody has hit Machidas chin yet and dropped him. So his style works. Thats karate for you.

OMG Nak actually hit Machida, so that means Machida is a flawed striker!!

Listen faggot. How about Hoost getting owned by Bob fuckin sapp. or Cro Cop getting KTFO by Randleman and Gonzaga. Or a pure brawler in Rampage beating the shit out of Abidi who had no answer for Rampages agressive brawling.

It seems K-1 elite arent perfect either.

Hunt just sucks. The way he rushed in at Manhoef was amateurish.

Mike Tyson would destroy any K-1 striker or any Muay thai faggot like Carnage. With a 4 punch split second combos knocking the liver out of their mouths and separating their minds from their body.

Shit look at Badr- Schilt. Badr came in aggressive and sloppy and smashed the K-1 champ. That was all it took. A simple gameplan of sloppy aggression. Imagine the technical brutal aggression of Tyson. Schilt would have been killed.

So yeah, fuck you and your opinions.

Fuck, you're a fag. How you haven't been banned from here I'll never know.

These are not MY "opinions", fuck face. They're fact.

Don't feed me your recycled Joe Rogan bullshit. Of course the point is NOT to get hit. My point (which obviously went over your head), is that it's going to happen sooner or later no matter how good you are at avoiding strikes. Lyoto Machida WILL NOT! be ready for it when it does happen. Period. He stands too far back in his stance, that forces him to keep his chin up. If he were to tuck his chin in, he wouldn't be able to see.

WTF? So run dry of any valid point that you're forced to make up bullshit? I never once said that the Chute Boxe style was the smart way to go.

Half the fighters you listed, were K1 strikers VS other K1 strikers. Gonzaga was trained by Spong for that CroCop fight too. Just FYI.

Bringing up Mike Tyson proves my point, fuckin' moron. I stated that MMA strikers are not on the level as world level strikers. Tyson is NOT an MMA fighter.

Just so you know, Tyson was signed to DSE/FEG. He was going to fight at a few PRIDE events. During their promo events, Tyson sparred with a few top K1 fighters and had his ass handed to him.

How many times do I have to repeat this for your stupid ass?

Overeem trains with the same camp that used to train Hair. He knew his every move. Look at what happened when Overeem fought Remy. It didn't go the same way did it?