Originally Posted by JSPoole

Learn to read, you piece of anal leak.

I said the event would be a sucess WITH OR WITHOUT Fedor, his apperance would be totally irrelevant either way.

Originally Posted by Swizzie

PRIDE failed because the Japanese business model is COMPLETELY different from what the US people are attracted and used to

This is also the reason Dana is so cautious to make a move in Japan, they operate differently there (read the book, "inside corporate Japan" and you'll get an idea of HOW much)

Affliction was not a big FIGHTING brand in the US

It was built off of a clothing company and even with billions (they only had millions), you can't become a big brand overnight

People need to believe your hype, believe in your fighters, slowly you need to get a following

Affliction was doomed from the start

Originally Posted by THE OMEN

fuck I wanna put hands on u and rip ur jaw clean off ur ignorant faggot face!!!

Originally Posted by THE OMEN

good job troll, u need a homobelt i'll look into it faggot..

Originally Posted by JSPoole

That is true, but Pride was also a big name, and failed miserably in the US (a ppv with a brand name and Fedor headlining it).

You make a good point, but it's been proven that even with a big brand, Fedor could not draw a dime in the US.

Plus, those fights were before TUF, weren't they? I could be wrong but if they are, UFC didn't explode , and Chuck and Randy weren't draws, untill the show drew attention to them, so if they were before TUF, he wasn't a huge draw at the time anyway.

Originally Posted by Swizzie

He was a star in the US, he wasn't making the same numbers as he does now, but his numbers plummeted in comparison to when he first joined up with the UFC

It was before TUF, but the UFC was still building a following

That's what I was saying

Originally Posted by JSPoole

Pride failed because of Yakuza links and corruption, but for a long time it was still a big name in mma.

And Dana has said that the Yakuza made life in Japan too hard to get UFC kickstarted there, or to get a new Pride up and running.

Originally Posted by Swizzie

I wasn't talking about why PRIDE failed as a promotion, I was talking about how PRIDE failed to make a dent in the US MMA world

Dana said that the Yakuza made it impossible to restart PRIDE in Japan, he wasn't talking about the UFC

Originally Posted by JSPoole

You make good points, and to an extent you are right, but he was saying Fedor is a big star when he's really not to the wider audience.

Could he big with UFC? Probably, yeah, but that's why he needs them more than UFC needs him.

Originally Posted by JSPoole

You could try but I'd fuck you up so bad, you'd be on a respirator for the rest of your fuckin life, bitch.

Originally Posted by THE OMEN

really? Go watch Badr Hari vs Stephan Leko. If u know how to defend yourself from a kick like that then maybe I'd just choke u until the cops come...... but u wouldn't so I'd take ur head clean off.

maybe severly break both of ur arms with various armlocks then laugh as u try to run away but keep getting tripped and kicked in the face until U DIE!!!!!!

Originally Posted by JSPoole

From what I read, his comments were more about expanding into Japan in general, but you are probably right.

Again too, you are right about the UFC's marketing muscle, but my point was to counter this idiot who thinks Fedor is well known to a large audience.

Originally Posted by JSPoole

You make good points, and to an extent you are right, but he was saying Fedor is a big star when he's really not to the wider audience.

Could he big with UFC? Probably, yeah, but that's why he needs them more than UFC needs him.

Originally Posted by THE OMEN

Fedor is a big star u idiot. Just cuz people don't buy Affliction u wanna talk shit faggot? I know mad people who love Fedor and didn't think twice about not ordering Affliction. And don't bring up old PRIIDE numbers from years ago either u faggot. I'll fuck ur mother.

Originally Posted by JSPoole

He is not a big star to the mainstream audience, you god damned moron.

He's a draw in Japan, and that's IT.