[JSPoole]

Originally Posted by Dean of Lean "Anti-Troll" I honestly have no problem admitting Fedor is the top HW I am pretty sure he would beat anyone on that list. I just hate the way his fans act sometimes Cain doesn't have the striking power to stand with Fedor. Brock would have a chance but I dunno if he could handle being in Fedor's guard Mir he'd drop Kongo sucks has no ground game at all and is horribly overated Couture just doesnt have it anymore woulda been a great fight 2-3 yrs ago Gonzaga would be interesting but he quits Carwin also be interesting. I would honestly give Carwin and Brock the best two chances Brock on pure speed and power if it goes to the ground game over Brock. Never seen Brock's chin tested maybe he'd collapse maybe he can take what Fedor has.

I think Brock is too big and strong for Fedor. He's not Zullu or some of those other big but useless freak shows Fedor has fought. I wouldn't be so sure about Mir either. Kongo, Gonzaga and Carwin all have great striking, and even a low level fighter like Arvloski gave Fedor a lot of trouble with his stand up.

I think it would be interesting, I think most of those guys would put up a good fight at least, and I think at least half have a decent shot at a win.

Fedor is a top heavyweight, no doubt, but I'm not quite convinced he's top three, let alone top. I'd love to see him in UFC, and if he beat everyone, fair enough, we all could say for sure he is best, but untill that happens, he isn't in my opinion.

[Dean of Lean]

They'd give it a good fight for sure I'm not saying he'd KO everyone one of them just I Think he'd win.

Mir I think he'd take I dont like Mir's striking compared to Fedor's. Fedor's submission defence is pretty good too style wise he's at a loss there.

[thesimpleone]

Originally Posted by JSPoole Yeah, that ''45 year old randy coming from a year lay off'' is the same ''45 year old randy coming from a year lay off'' that your boy fedor desperately wanted to fight...so by your logic, that's ADMITTING Fedor wants easy opponents, if you subscribe to that view.

Fedor has made it quite clear numerous times that he doesn't really want to fight Randy. He says he respects him to much but he will fight him because Randy has expressed great interest in doing so. But of course Randy bitched out and decided to fight the oh so impressive 2-1 Brock Lesnar

And no, Tim Sylvia or Arvloski were NOT top ten, and honestly, any site that says they were is full of shit. There's a reason both have been dropped like a bad habbit by UFC and Affliction (who will pay anyone anything).

All sites were full of shit? Like literally every single site ranked both in the top 10.

Fucking Andrei had a tremendous 5 fight winning streak wins over Werdum,Nelson,Ben,Jake And Marcio Cruz ( who kicked Frank mirs ass.)

Oh wait, let me guess, Sylvia and Arvloski only became washed up losers suddenly as soon as the fight with fedor was over right? You fedor nut huggers are such predictible hypocrites.

With Sylvia....yea it's a possible..you know coming in 310 pounds and shit. However it's Andrei and his glass chin against a undefeated heavy hitter in Brett Rogers. So what? fighters lose but it doesn't change the fact that they were great wins at the time. Shit if we all went by this logic guys like Penn and Miguel wouldn't even be in the top 10.

Top Heavyweights right now (in no particular order) Brock Lesnar Shane Carwin Cane Valesquez Frank Mir Randy Coture Cheik Kongo Gabriel Gonzaga Fedor (he belongs there, just not at the top). Hell, right now Brett Rodgers and Ray Mercer would be top ten if you really believe Arvloski and Sylvia were top ten fighters.

Gonzaga? But no Werdum who whooped his ass twice?
I couldn't stop laughing when I saw Kongo on there. Did you just shit all over your keyboard and press enter?

and fuck you only named 8 fighters. Wheres Nog,Junior and Barnett?

Arvloski also has two losses to Sylvia, so by your logic I guess that means Mir must be better than Arvloski because he defeated Sylvia convincingly each time they met? His record against Sylvia is better than Arvloski's anyway, ditto that washed up old Coture, who beat Sylvia way before Fedor.

Still doesn't change the fact that Mir got whooped by non top 10 heavyweights. Andre got whooped by Sylvia who was top 10.

Two of those list have finished fighters your beloved Fedor could not. And considering fedor has taken to fighting washed up bums who's best wins were over each other, not to mention middle and lightweights, I wouldn't call anyone a ''can smasher'' if I were you.

Fedor beat and finished (sort of.) a PRIME Heath Herring, while Lesnar dry humped ( except for that punch in the begining.) him for 3 rounds.

Plus, Fedor has one no contest with Nog, and got beat by a can. So no one's record is perfect

Thanks for showing how stupid you are. The no contest with Nog was due to a accidental heabutt which opened a cut on Fedor....what does that actually prove?

And TK ( Do you even follow MMA?) is not a can...although irrelevant because he elbowed Fedor and Fedor got cut....no domination, no tooling a couple seconds into the fight Fedor got cut...again what does this prove?

Fedor didn't face an ex champion in his second and third ever matches in mma either, and has never captured the most prestegious title out there, the UFC, and NEVER drew as much money as Brock on his best day, so aside from the eyes of a few lone people who actually know who the guy is and nut hug him to death, Brock has already accomplished far more in the sport.

When Pride was still up and running the heavyweight belt in Pride was the "belt" to get. It's the only one that mattered. Fuck please tell me do you even watch MMA? or just the UFC?

And not only has Fedor made more money then Lesnar in his MMA career he has drew more fans...has Lesnar ever gotten 60 000 people in a stadium before? Didn't think so

Brock has accomplished far more? Go fuck yourself. Better yet just kill yourself...find your nearest cliff and jump off. Anyone who knows a decent amount of MMA, would never say something so fucking stupid.

btw I'm not bias I like Shooto,Deep,Sengoku,Dream,UFC,WEC etc. all equally however UFC only Fans are without a doubt the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet.

[thesimpleone]

Originally Posted by JSPoole I think Brock is too big and strong for Fedor. He's not Zullu or some of those other big but useless freak shows Fedor has fought. I wouldn't be so sure about Mir either. Kongo, Gonzaga and Carwin all have great striking, and even a low level fighter like Arvloski gave Fedor a lot of trouble with his stand up. I think it would be interesting, I think most of those guys would put up a good fight at least, and I think at least half have a decent shot at a win. Fedor is a top heavyweight, no doubt, but I'm not quite convinced he's top three, let alone top. I'd love to see him in UFC, and if he beat everyone, fair enough, we all could say for sure he is best, but untill that happens, he isn't in my opinion.

Did you just compare Kongo,Gonzaga and Carwins striking with Andrei?

You clearly have no fucking clue what striking is, why are even in the boxing forum?

Carwin? The guy who got lit up by Neil Wain and Gonzaga...I've seen little girls throw better punches with better technique.


While your questioning Fedor legacy ( like a fuck moron.)

Randy and Mir still know Fedor's the best, every single person worth a shit in MMA knows Fedor is the best.

BJ Penn, Josh , Randy, Werdum, Wanderlei, Gsp , Mir, Nogueira, Sherk and even Lesnar have said Fedor is the best.

[JSPoole]

No, Pride wasn't ''the'' belt to get. If it was such a great company, it would still be here, now. But you know what? The company was corrupt (which pretty much casts a shadow over all it's fights, since a company with a track record of corruption wouldn't think twice about fight fixing and other dubious practicies), and went bust and got brought out by UFC. So if you consider a belt run by corrupt organisations with Yakuza links, YIKES. I'd like to think most people would have enough common sense to see the logic faliure there.

Fedor failed to finish Nog, twice, not to mention Mirko Cro Cop. No matter what you say there, we have seen both those guys be smashed to smithereens in UFC. You can shout those guys are washed up all you like, but it sounds like desperately trying to excuse why Fedor couldn't finish them.

And Kongo has better striking than Arvloski, and Fedor struggled with his stand up.

Nog is in there, forgot to add him sorry. Barnett? Sorry, he hasn't done anything worth a damn in years.

I don't give a damn who said Fedor is best, either. He's up there, for sure, no doubt, but if he struggled with Arvloski till he got stupid, there's a lot more guys in UFC he would struggle with too. He needs to be the top dog in the top organisation to be the best. That's how any sport works. And right now, he isn't. I have no doubt he could be if he applied himself, but I also think that quite a few people in UFC would give him trouble and be capable of beating him. But untill he mans up and stops being a bitch fighting washed up competition, we will never know.

[skohl]

So js


who you got, Mir or Brock?

[Camel Hound]

Originally Posted by JSPoole No, Pride wasn't ''the'' belt to get. If it was such a great company, it would still be here, now. But you know what? The company was corrupt (which pretty much casts a shadow over all it's fights, since a company with a track record of corruption wouldn't think twice about fight fixing and other dubious practicies), and went bust and got brought out by UFC. So if you consider a belt run by corrupt organisations with Yakuza links, YIKES. I'd like to think most people would have enough common sense to see the logic faliure there. Fedor failed to finish Nog, twice, not to mention Mirko Cro Cop. No matter what you say there, we have seen both those guys be smashed to smithereens in UFC. You can shout those guys are washed up all you like, but it sounds like desperately trying to excuse why Fedor couldn't finish them. And Kongo has better striking than Arvloski, and Fedor struggled with his stand up. Nog is in there, forgot to add him sorry. Barnett? Sorry, he hasn't done anything worth a damn in years. I don't give a damn who said Fedor is best, either. He's up there, for sure, no doubt, but if he struggled with Arvloski till he got stupid, there's a lot more guys in UFC he would struggle with too. He needs to be the top dog in the top organisation to be the best. That's how any sport works. And right now, he isn't. I have no doubt he could be if he applied himself, but I also think that quite a few people in UFC would give him trouble and be capable of beating him. But untill he mans up and stops being a bitch fighting washed up competition, we will never know.

Kongo's striking sucks, just because velasquez cant strike for shit and has no chin doesen't mean Kongo has good striking


Kongo is basicly a wanabe striker than gets outstruck in 80% of his fights then tries to become a wrestler (watch heath herring fight)

[Camel Hound]

Originally Posted by JSPoole No, Pride wasn't ''the'' belt to get.

Pride was the belt to get, the ufc belt dident mean shit back then. th ufc belts changed hands every 2 fights, all the ufc champs are transitional champions

pride champs were real champs

[JSPoole]

Originally Posted by Camel Hound Pride was the belt to get, the ufc belt dident mean shit back then. th ufc belts changed hands every 2 fights, all the ufc champs are transitional champions pride champs were real champs

Pride Champion Dan Henderson lost BOTH his matches that were UFC vs Pride champions.

And the only reason Pride's titles DIDN'T change hands were because they protected fighters with cans to pad out their records. That doesn't make them worthy champions, that just means they fought bums with the occassional real fight.

[Captain Smoker]

PRIDE champs werent real champs in some cases. Hendo lost to Misaki, yet kept his belt. Gomi lost to Nick, yet kept his belt. Wand lost to Arona, yet kept his belt. Most pride champions were paper champions.

[Swizzie]

In theory the last PRIDE champions in each division would be these guys

MW - Paulo FIlho (destroyed Misaki, had to bow out due to injury)

LHW - Shogun (Beat Arona, later on lost to Coleman, but that was at heavyweight)

HW - Fedor

Lightweight - vacant (drug test) (Gomi lost to Aurelio and beat him in a rematch, then lost to Nick)

[Shaungotti]

I just watched a 15 part documentary on Mike on Youtube, and it actually made me pretty sad. Here's a guy that people thought had everything, but really he had nothing. This guy had next to nobody in his life to give him direction.

If people wonder why Mike seems so strange and unstable, they need to watch that documentary. This guy was used his whole life and had nobody.

If I hadn't had the stable family life that I did, who knows what I'd be today.